A comment to my previous post
>> Thursday, July 9, 2009
Yesterday I received a comment to my previous post from John Kaduk who is obviously a Conservative. Rather reply to this comment, I wanted to address this comment in a new post to show everyone how a Conservative argues their point without giving any actual facts to backup their argument. If you haven't read my previous post, please do so along with the comments left. Here is his comment...
"A big government can exist only in theory, Just like Karl Marx's true vision of communism can only exist in theory. A big government will always have access to too much power. and when a President can fire a CEO and make decisions of life and death (through healthcare), that is hardly "limited power. " A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have"-Thomas Jefferson" by John Kaduk Added note: It turns out Jefferson was misquoted as saying that, it was Gerald Ford who said that, Jefferson actually said "The natural progress for things is for liberty to yield and government to gain control". Which I believe will happen when liberties are abused.
Notice how he states "big government can exist only in theory" then uses Karl Marx's visions from the 18oo's to back up his statement. Where are the facts? Then he says our President fired a CEO. I think he is referring to GM CEO Rick Wagoner. Obama didn't fire him, he merely told GM if they wanted to get a loan from the government, they would have to replace the CEO. Wagoner in turn stepped down. Then he says our President is making decisions of life and death by trying to get healthcare for every American. That is laughable and ridiculous to say the least. If any President made decisions of life and death, it was Bush when he started a war with Iraq based on lies to help his oil buddies. Then he finished his comment with a misquote from Thomas Jefferson who was an intelligent Republican leader and was our third President 100 200 ago. It was actually Gerald Ford, but I would tell Mr. Ford that a government small enough to give the rich everything they want is small enough to take everything away from the middle class and poor. Correction: I was wrong, Jefferson was President 200 years ago.
Note: to anyone who finds it necessary to leave insulting comments, you run the risk of having your comment rejected. That means you Bobo
"A big government can exist only in theory, Just like Karl Marx's true vision of communism can only exist in theory. A big government will always have access to too much power. and when a President can fire a CEO and make decisions of life and death (through healthcare), that is hardly "limited power. " A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have"-Thomas Jefferson" by John Kaduk Added note: It turns out Jefferson was misquoted as saying that, it was Gerald Ford who said that, Jefferson actually said "The natural progress for things is for liberty to yield and government to gain control". Which I believe will happen when liberties are abused.
Notice how he states "big government can exist only in theory" then uses Karl Marx's visions from the 18oo's to back up his statement. Where are the facts? Then he says our President fired a CEO. I think he is referring to GM CEO Rick Wagoner. Obama didn't fire him, he merely told GM if they wanted to get a loan from the government, they would have to replace the CEO. Wagoner in turn stepped down. Then he says our President is making decisions of life and death by trying to get healthcare for every American. That is laughable and ridiculous to say the least. If any President made decisions of life and death, it was Bush when he started a war with Iraq based on lies to help his oil buddies. Then he finished his comment with a misquote from Thomas Jefferson who was an intelligent Republican leader and was our third President 100 200 ago. It was actually Gerald Ford, but I would tell Mr. Ford that a government small enough to give the rich everything they want is small enough to take everything away from the middle class and poor. Correction: I was wrong, Jefferson was President 200 years ago.
Note: to anyone who finds it necessary to leave insulting comments, you run the risk of having your comment rejected. That means you Bobo
17 comments:
I find it ironic you talk about lies without any facts but have a big one yourself:
"If any President made decisions of life and death, it was Bush when he started a war with Iraq based on lies to help his oil buddies."
Guess you forgot to mention that there were plenty of hearings at the UN, there was a vote in the Senate which easily passed, and that only 1 or 2 Senators ever bothered to read the intel on Iraq that was offered to them.
Somehow, I'm not seeing a consistency in this post regarding your statements.
Bob, one thing we both realize is that the problems of the past 8 years will take a concerted effort over the next 4 years to figure out, let alone solve.
this guy is just attempting to co-opt someone's theory and apply it inappropriately concantonated to his rhetoric.
sad.. but very jingoist of him. :(
Bob You Make Em Crazy. I'm with you and believe you are telling it like it is, regaredless of how many delusional statements they try to use to back up their failures of the past 8 years.
YOU GO BOB !!!
Harrison, it wasn't a lie. Yes there were plenty of hearings at the UN and that resolution was vetoed by Russia and France, but Bush ignored them and warned those inspectors to leave because he was going to attack Iraq and yes there was a vote in the senate that was passed by senators who were foolish enough to believe Bush's lies. The facts are there that Bush lied, and if you deny that, then you're a liar as well. If you don't see any consistency in my post, don't read them.
Since you have excused the entire US Senate of its oversight duties I guess it is all Bush's fault. That is very convenient, don't you think? You don't find it curious that only one or two Senators did not read any of the intel briefings on Iraq from the CIA or NSA prior to vote for the authorization of force?
And if it is a fact that Bush lied, where was the legal decision on that? Were I to say something like that I would have proof or wouldn't say it at all. That's called slander my friend.
Really, Bob? Just what was that comment that I made that was just so insulting? I see that you completely dismissed the rest of the comment that evidencially supported John's statements.
Why do you hate me so Bob? I thought when Obama got elected we would all be singing kumbaya.
Hi Bob, truth to the matter is, I am tired of hearing about politics (lately) I feel like I just want to wait what will happen soon... :( That is so sad though.
Harrison, It's not slander.This is some proof the CIA didn't provide intelligence stating Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
Here's an example in a report which is a portion of an address given at the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars on August 26, 2002, during which Cheney said, "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies and against us." According to the report, former CIA Director George Tenet later said Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time, and another CIA official, referring to the speech, told a prominent journalist, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?"
That shows Cheney lied If you need more proof that Bush lied, I refer you to this link http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
Bobo, if you care to make a new comment that supports John's statements, I would be glad to approve it, so that I can argue that point.
Bobo, just a reminder, refrain from the insults and put downs.
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Tell ya what Bob, hopefully you still have the comment in your queue as unapproved. Just delete out what you thought was the insult and put up the rest of it.
Gee bob, did you ever step in it
I did post proof on my site that was an unedited clip of Obama telling the few that watched the infomercial a little while back that maybe a pill would be better than treating the problem.
Who is making the decision to take a pill versus having an operation to repair something in a patients body ?
Is that not life or death ?
And another thing, when are you people going to stop leaving all the problems at GW's doorstep ?
Days after Obama took office, did he not order airstrikes in the ongoing war ? Has he not ordered more troops into battle, and shuffled them around to continue fighting ? He must agree with what is going on over there.
Oh well, all I can say is that Things are not good in Obamaland
Lot2Learn, Your the one stepping into it. I searched your site, but couldn't find the clip you mentioned, but I did find the unedited text for you to read to prove to everyone that you did take it out of context. Here it is...
President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.
In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."
He added: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."
Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said.
She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" [...
Who said Obama was going to make that decision?
I agree with Obama, Why go through painful hip surgery if your going to die in less than a year anyway?, your better off taking some pain pills. Obama is merely suggesting ways we can make health care cheaper. Where is the life and death decision? I think the cancer in his grandmother made that decision.
As to your other comment that Obama must agree with what's going on in Iraq. That is just plain nonsense. He can't just pull all the troops out of Iraq in one day. and yes he ordered more troops into battle in Afghanistan because that's what should have been done 6 years ago when Bush was the decider. Things are great in Obamaland.
Just passing by to wish a good weekend :)
No comments on your coments, lol.
Where is Obama making decisions on healthcare? Where?
The plan calls for doctors to make medical decisions.
And where is the outrage for private insurance companies taking medical decisions out of the hands of the doctors and patients?
Ahh, I see bobo and crew are working the angles still. When Obama has been in Office for more than a few months, you know, maybe at least his first four years, then we can talk about issues that have happened because of his administration.
Where were you people when the country was falling to shit? Sitting in your yards grinning and being happy? I find it absolutely appalling that people think there is reason to try to pin shit on Obama already. You did not stand up and fight for our rights when Bush was in office, so sit your asses back down and start sucking on your thumb again.
Right now, Obama's got his tall boots on walking through a huge pile of shit that's been left behind.
I have to agree with Bob here, as I have not seen any real facts, that if, oh my God, you read the WHOLE story, or all of the document, you'll see is different than the Cherry Picking, Data Skewing Conservative Right Wing folks LOVE to do.
Here's a tip - Start with the WHOLE facts, not just what makes your point. You'll find most often, You are WRONG.
Good job on sticking to your guns, Bob.
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